Comments on: The need for change https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-need-for-change Life, love, and limerence Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:38:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.9 By: Nat https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-19103 Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:38:36 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-19103 Ouch! This one hit right home! I’ve been limerent for an older man for nearly a year (though it’s fading, thanks to NC and other strategies found on this site :-).
The LE hit me like a lightning bolt, totally unexpected and possibly mutual.
Chalked it up to daddy issues at first.
I had an instant emotional connection with this man who is very open, authentic, expressive, curious… and paid attention to me.
Turns out those are things that are lacking in my marriage. SO is a very good man (even tempered, reliable, sense of humor, a good father) and I’m still attracted to him. We have an overall pretty good marriage. But… my need for emotional connection has always clashed with his preference to keep things light, on the surface. He will avoid conflict at almost any cost. He shows little interest in what I have to say. It’s not that he doesn’t care, he just can’t be bothered with stuff outside of his personal field of interest. He has a rather avoidant style I would say.
I’ve been OK with this for the past 20 years or so, fulfilling my need for connection with friends and at work (I’m a therapist). To be honest, I might be a little on the avoidant side as well.
But LO gave me a taste of what it’s like to have that emotional connection with someone I’m sexually attracted to.
Now, I feel like something’s missing in my marriage, and I lack the courage to change the status quo. My previous attempts at a creating a deeper connection with SO have resulted in temporary/modest change. I feel like I deserve more AND also feel foolish/childish to demand more… yet again. That’s the limbo I’m in.
I guess I should see a therapist myself šŸ™

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By: Embracingchange https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18965 Sun, 24 Jan 2021 06:28:53 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18965 I’m in my 40’s, been happily married, with two children and must say I was plodding along in which I thought was quite a contented life. Yes I think as a parent, you do always wonder where ā€œthe funā€ is at times however soldier on knowing life isn’t all about you (or even you and your partner) anymore.
After 15 years of marriage, my LE came like a bolt out of the blue and with someone of the same gender. Huge shock for me!!! But yes I think after you’ve gone through something like this, you can’t help but change and dig deep to find out more about yourself. The most difficult thing I have found from all this, is that before my LE, I truly felt I did know myself. I guess I was wrong! I think what I’ve worked out from all of this, is a multitude of things – maybe if someone chimes with me, it doesn’t matter their gender?; maybe I have suppressed some emotions over the years?; it’s probably high time that my husband and I put some fun back into our relationship and make more time for us?; more open communication between us both and effort?; as well as trying to find me again (what do I like doing, what are my interests, needs, things that give me joy as a lot of energy over the years has gone to others perhaps?)
It’s been a roller coaster – thankfully once I felt the warm and fuzzys I knew immediately that I was going against my values and went NC. It also helped that my body language made it clear for this person to know I was being way too open that things went awkward. Another good reason to go NC. It could have been far worse but I knew I had to shut it down – I just wish that my mind after that last encounter, didn’t go into overdrive.
Therapy, many self help or uplifting books, meditation, little nature getaways with the family, exercising and hanging with my safe people has helped me get through my yukkiest of days. Days that I don’t wish to remember – I know I’m not fully recovered but am certainly on the road to recover.
Good luck and best wishes to everyone – may we embrace the change.

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By: Beth https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18505 Fri, 01 Jan 2021 20:38:38 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18505 In reply to Beth.

How has it changed me?
I’m more aware of my yearning to be needed. His obvious need for a partner only fueled my limerence. I put his feelings (never wanted to hurt him) above my own.
After his initial rejection (no long distance relationships, he said. This was after we met and after he said he was open to it) made me anxious. I could never be myself after that. He’d be caring and loving, then cold.
Also, no contact and no friendship with him. Ever. And after all the manipulative moves, I’m okay with that.

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By: Beth https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18503 Fri, 01 Jan 2021 20:20:36 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18503 Limerence happened because of the perfect storm: charming possible sociopath (he told me later a therapist years ago told him that’s what he was) during my separation and pending divorce.
He gave me what I’d been missing: attention and time. We connected immediately. Deep talks, shared secrets. We met, were intimate. I wasn’t seeking other supports because he, a lonely isolated man, became my biggest emotional support.
Then came the barriers: uncertainty and physical distance. He’d pull me in and then be hurtful.
I tried NC…many times. He’d say something to keep me hooked every time. I’d worry about him and reach out.
I’ve dealt with users before. My brother is a narcissist and I’d always been able to distance myself from that type.
I was vulnerable, and as my therapist said, starved for love. He seemed to offer that.
The ruminating was, for me, the difficult part. Everything led back to him in my head. It continued for two years and the isolation cause by the pandemic exacerbated these thoughts.
I dated and slept with others but he was who I thought of all the time.
In real life, he’s not a decent person. Charming, intelligent, funny. But a personality disorder is in play. Can’t say which one.
I made excuses for his issues and felt I could help him.
I knew several months in that none of this was healthy. I tried LC. I tried to refocus my life. I moved, changed jobs. Took trips. I exercise and eat right.
Still, there he was, in my head,
I tried friendship and that did not take. He’d passively aggressively hurt me and I’d try to use it to break free, could not. He’d never outright reject me.
If only I had found this site a year or more ago.
What I’ve had is NOT love. Not infatuation or a bad romance.
Love takes time and care.
I always knew it was all in my head. Now I know why.

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By: Beth https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18485 Thu, 31 Dec 2020 20:45:22 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18485 In reply to Beth.

*limberence – obsessed with being fit
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By: Beth https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18484 Thu, 31 Dec 2020 20:43:44 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18484 In reply to Karl.

Karl,
I’m so sorry. How painful. I’ve had a similar experience.
I’m new here. I’ve been in limerence for about two years. My LO, I believe, is – strangely enough – was in limberence/love with a mutual acquaintance for at least 4 years. We’re in an online group so while he and I met…he’s never met her in person.
His actions and words were uncertain, which fueled limberence on my end.
He denied, again and again, that he cared about her. But his attention to her in the group was intense once she was no longer in another relationship.
The pain it caused me was enormous.
She’s rejected him before. She used him the way he used me.
Her conduct should show that she is not the person you imagine.
Good luck

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By: Sammy https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18381 Mon, 28 Dec 2020 00:09:31 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18381 In reply to Jaideux.

@Jaideux. My dear sweet girl, you may be the Queen of Limerence Limbo. Fifteen years is nothing to sniff at – ’tis true. An impressive accomplishment that would make many a novice limerent blush. But if you are the queen of said limbo, I must surely be the king!

Just teasing you, darling. Please don’t take offence at my wee joke. But I’ve been doing my sums. For LO#1, (straight boy LO), I think I fell into limerence just before Christmas 2000 and fell out of limerence recently, just before Christmas 2020. It’s not a competition, of course, but I’m clearly the winner! (Sorry. I’m teasing you again, and taking the mickey out of myself).

But, seriously, I feel the colour bleeding out of my world. The technicolour aspect of limerence you so often talk about – I can see it visibly fading before my eyes. I swam in my sister’s pool and it just wasn’t the same. The loss of this “brightness” makes me really sad, although I won’t miss the emotional pain, the “permanent headache” of rumination, the fear of rejection, the guilt, etc, etc.

Actually, I think this site and people’s comments have helped me a lot. My limerence seems to be a bit unusual in the sense I had one big overarching limerence (for the straight boy) and then experienced these little “side limerences” at the same time. The big limerence was like an umbrella – it fed into the other crushes, other crushes which may have even been subconscious attempts to understand and explain LE/LO#1, but it always remained the dominant obsession. Hard to explain. But I’m sure LE/LO#1 was responsible for triggering the “life in technicolour” effect. (True limerence?)

I still have little crushes, feel excited around people. But if the brilliant colours and flavours are vanishing, it must be true – I’m moving out of limerence (in my old age) into some other phase.

Last night I dreamt that my father died or very nearly died, and I was responsible for talking to ambulance/police officers and arranging the funeral, etc. I don’t think my real-life father is in any danger. I think the dream is symbolic. The “father archetype” has lost much of its power over me. I no longer feel so intimidated by other males. I think some of my limerence is surely about resolving emotional issues with my real-life father and the archetypal father in my head.

Also had a Christmas chat with one of my sisters. We are in agreement that Mum is more borderline than narcissistic. Borderlines do engage in some very dodgy behaviour (such as lying) but apparently this behaviour is inspired by a need to elicit caretaking behaviour from others. When I see my mother as borderline rather narcissistic, I feel infinitely more compassion for her. It’s fear of abandonment that’s driving her, not pure egotism.

I feel my most recent limerent-ish crush might be about making peace with my mother’s borderline traits, since I’ve more or less resolved my daddy issues now, and feel indifference for LO#1.

Hope you have a marvellous Christmas, sweetheart. Thanks for pouring your heart out on this site. Reigning queen or not, I value the precious jewels of insight you’ve offered. I see overlap in some of our experiences and it’s helped me pierce together pieces of my own jigsaw. Gosh, I don’t want to lose technicolour vision – I’ve gotten so used to it! Maybe we just get attached to the magic show of limerence itself at times and never mind the original catalyst?

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By: Vicarious Limerent https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18337 Fri, 25 Dec 2020 23:40:12 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18337 In reply to Snowflake.

Snowflake, as others have commented, you are being a troll. If you are so concerned about infidelity, why not comment on someone’s post who has actually been unfaithful to their spouse (there are other commenters who have). Last I checked, even in the “good ole US,” thought crimes still hadn’t been outlawed. By the way, there are regular commenters on this site from across the English-speaking world (including the USA) and beyond, so don’t try to make this into some debate about nationality. Thanks Dr. L and Vincent for your support. Merry Christmas to everyone (including Snowflake)!

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By: Marcia https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18307 Fri, 25 Dec 2020 02:04:07 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18307 In reply to Esmeralda.

I was watching an old interview with Elizabeth Taylor on “The Tonight Show.” She was almost 60 and had just married her last husband, who was 40. Johnny made fun of her for marrying a younger man and she quipped, referring to her previous 6 husbands, “My men have stayed the same age.” HA! Forty is a good age for a man. šŸ™‚

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By: Esmeralda https://livingwithlimerence.com/the-need-for-change/#comment-18306 Fri, 25 Dec 2020 01:48:17 +0000 https://livingwithlimerence.com/?p=2127#comment-18306 In reply to Marica.

Assuming that woman is at least 20, her new guy is 40…which makes her 60…and Karl 70? Sorry, I just had to do the math.

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